This realization seems to have serious implications for materials development and teaching in general. "All knowledge is human knowledge; it grows out of human hopes, fears, and passions. Imaginative engagement with knowledge comes from learning in the context of the hopes, fears, and passions from which it has grown or in which it finds a living meaning. These notes below are from the interview, please note some ideas are quoted verbatim.

**Egan claims education is made up of three ideas that ultimately do not fit or work well together, the three ideas are: 1 . School's purpose id to socialize children to the world we live in 2. Then there is the academic purpose/idea 3. And last there is the developmental aspect of education. * Egan believes that the problem with these ideas is that they are mutually incompatible and that this incompatibility explains why education is hard to do Egan claims that we have typically looked at education as part of a balance. The idea being that if not able to be balanced then ultimately the compromise is the best solution.

He says that these ideas are traditional ideas and they are not hacking it for us. He offers that we need to give up that each of these ideas for 3 bad ideas does necessarily make a good idea. He clarifies autochthonous ideas make for confused solutions. Egan Is nudge on developing AT ten Imagination In canceller. He says Tanat ten world s wonderful and that it should not be so difficult to show kids that the world is wonderful.

He has written several books about developing imagination. * Egan likens education to the process of giving children tool kits. These tool kits can be anything from oral language, cognitive, storytelling skills,metaphor, images in mind to express ideas, sense of mystery, or story structure. He desertification equal to picking up as many tools as many as possible. He puts forth the idea of childproofing a topic each year and building on that topic over he year, so that in the next 12 years, every child will know as much on that topic as microscope n the world. ** Egan out forth the imagination as crucial dichloride learning about the world around them.

Yet, he claims the imagination can work only with what you know.The more you know the richer you can imagine. ** He became curious about education by asking questions such as why kids collect cards. He says there is very little out there about how children make sense of the world. ** Egan proposes that the problem of today's schools is that they do not get a sense f that wonder and asks "how you can make everyday teaching infused with wonder" ** In commenting on the PISA (international testing of industrialized countries) he says that we need to look on what is being tested. He says of course a child at a private school, where wealthy kids go, are doing superbly well on the 5 paragraph essay for they teach it to death.

He says, of course, if the finite goal is measurable, it's not hard to reach the goal. He adds that in Singapore they do great on the tests, but that a great deal (of schools) is dreary beyond belief". He ends with saying that "This s a not an education triumph one we should be seeking to emulate. " Oh! What a breath of fresh air this guy is. At this quote I made up my mind to buy one of his books..

... Lam sold!! ** On questions about the role of technology in education, he says that "education is a conversation amongst generation, but that crucial education is a conversation, face to face conversation is always going to be crucial to education. ** The most important message Egan left me with was his view on nature of knowledge. He proposes that no knowledge can be in books, on the Internet.

He calls those things carrier of we 'codes'. He says books, Internet are invented ways we have found to express our knowledge. He says that the only source of knowledge is in human mind. He says schools often confuse codes and knowledge.

"We see as satisfactory the repeat of certain kinds of codes are rewarded. We reward people for something that could be meaningless. We accept code in place of knowledge. He sees the role of the teacher as needing to "resuscitate knowledge from code. Instead of getting Solos to replicate code, to seek meanly. "